Sunday, February 21, 2010

Buddhism, The Dalai Lama And Same-sex Marriage

I found this article by James Shaheen of the Huffington Post and thought it worth sharing. As Buddhism’s profile in the West increases its position on various issues is being sought. In the process some of the myths, misunderstandings and imaginings about Buddhism are being dispelled. Here the writer explains that contrary to general perception, the Dalai Lama does not represent all Buddhists, he doesn’t even represent all Tibetan Buddhists. In fact, he represents no more than 3 or 4 % of the worlds Buddhists. On another matter, scholars may well consider the various sects of Buddhism to be different religions – which I take of yet more evidence that scholars don’t always know what they are talking about (see http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2009/09/unity-in-diversity.html). I agree with Ven. Thanissaro’s comment on what would be the Buddha’s position on same sex marriage and for my own take on this issue (see http://buddhismatoz.com/s/SameSexMarriage.html). The word for husband in the verse I quote from the Kama Sutra is parigraha, the Pali equivalent being patigaha. In the commentary on this verse from his Jayamangala, Yasodhara (12th cent ?) says; ‘Citizens so inclined, reject women, willingly do without them and get married, bound by a deep and trusting friendship.’ This may indicate that some form of same-sex marriage existed in ancient India.

A lot of people ask me what the "Buddhist take" on gay marriage is. Well, it depends on who you talk to. A few years back, in an interview with the CBC, the Dalai Lama rejected same-sex relationships to the surprise of many convert Buddhists, who sometimes too easily assume that Buddhist ethics are consistent with their typically progressive views. As the Canadian interview bounced around the internet, some people were shocked and perplexed, but the Dalai Lama’s position shouldn’t have come as a surprise to anyone who has followed the issue. After all, he has been consistent. At a conference some 12 years ago, when gay leaders met with him in San Francisco to discuss the Tibetan Buddhist proscriptions against gay sex, he reiterated the traditional view that gay sex was "sexual misconduct." This view was based on restrictions found in Tibetan texts that he could not and would not change. He did, however, advise gay Buddhist leaders to investigate further, discuss the issue, and suggested that change might come through some sort of theological consensus. But at a time when same-sex marriage has taken front-stage center in American politics, the Dalai Lama’s more recent statements come as unwelcome news to proponents of civil rights. Does this mean Buddhism condemns same-sex relationships? Not at all. Contrary to popular perception, the Dalai Lama does not speak for all Buddhists. As the leader of the dominant Gelug sect of Tibetan Buddhism, he speaks for one slice of the world’s Buddhist population. The vast majority of Buddhists do not practice in his tradition — however much they respect and admire him — and the Tibetan texts the Dalai Lama refers to were written centuries after the Buddha had come and gone. Buddhism is perhaps even more diverse than Christianity. In fact, the differences among schools can be so vast that some scholars consider them different religions. Indeed, according to Thanissaro Bhikkhu, abbot of the Metta Forest Monastery in southern California, the Buddha never forbade gay sex for lay people as far as we know. "When he drew the line between licit and illicit sex, it had nothing to do with sexual tastes or preferences," he says, citing early texts. "He seemed more concerned with not violating the legitimate claims that other people might have on your sexual partner." The Buddhist monastic code, which contains detailed — and sometimes ludicrous — guidelines (think Leviticus), applies only to monks, leaving the rest open to debate. Western dharma communities are known for their tolerance, and the Dalai Lama himself has openly gay students. It’s rare to hear of anyone being drummed out of a Western Buddhist community for being gay, and in most Buddhist traditions practiced in the West—including the Tibetan communities—sexuality is rarely if ever an issue. Nonetheless, in the current political climate, hearing the world’s most famous Buddhist declare homosexuality to be "sexual misconduct" can’t help but lead people to believe that the Buddha’s teachings proscribe same-sex relationships. They don’t, any more than they promote them. Friends of mine have argued that the Dalai Lama doesn’t really look askance same-sex relationships, that he has no choice but to uphold his tradition’s dictates; and that maybe the Dalai Lama is just stuck with the old texts’ proscriptions in the same way that a Catholic, say, must deal with Thomas Aquinas. Of course, we can’t know and must take his public statements at face value. In his case, though, our expectations tend to be different than they might be for the local minister, priest or orthodox rabbi. And so many of us who have benefited greatly from his teachings are apt to feel disappointed.

11 comments:

Gui Do said...

Dear Bhante, is there a direct link to the article?

Shravasti Dhammika said...

Dear Gui Do,
You can find it at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-shaheen

Gui Do said...

Dear Bhante, by the way, I tried to get that video with the two young boys (one a monk) that was a hit in Sri Lanka once and which you liked. I have Tamil neighbours, not too close, but they were not successful when looking for it in some of their stores. Anyway, I am pretty sure you also know Goldie Hawn, and I just wrote about her Hawn foundation in my own blog. Here is here project, inspired by Buddhism: http://www.thehawnfoundation.org/

LV said...
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LV said...

"On another matter, scholars may well consider the various sects of Buddhism to be different religions – which I take of yet more evidence that scholars don’t always know what they are talking about (see http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2009/09/unity-in-diversity.html). "

I can't say that I agree and I would refer you to Ven. Thanissaro's fine book on the topic:

http://www.amazon.com/Buddhist-Religions-Historical-Introduction-Religious/dp/0534558585

It sounds nice and ecumenical to contend that there is some monolithic religion called "Buddhism," but it doesn't stand up to historical scrutiny. It's like claiming that all of the Dharmic religions (Jainism, Buddhism, Vedanta, Samkhya) are the same(as many Hindus do) since they share a belief in reincarnation (oops!!! I'm sorry, rebirth) and karma

vichet said...

right or wrong, in buddhism way is sometime easy to determine.

Why drink alcohol is wrong?
Why steal other property is wrong?
...
Why same sex is wrong? it is not because it deviates from sth that is natural? It can be harme by someway. But buddish concept is that if you are sure that that act cause no harm to anybody, nothing wrong.

dirk said...
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dirk said...

I think it's also important to mention that the crux of the problem has nothing to do with sexual orientation. The texts His Holiness refers to prohibit oral, manual, and anal sex for everyone, not just gays and lesbians. It's just that without those, what's left? And even H.H. has admitted that these texts may have a specific historical and cultural context...

It's also important to note how extremely conservative (some could say dogmatic) Tibetan culture is when it comes to issues regarding sex, inter-racial or inter-cultural marriage, and so on. While it may be generally surprising to Westerners that H.H. doesn't condone same-sex relations, it would be equally surprising (generally) for Tibetans if he did. And from a Tibetan context, even the more "progressive" Buddhist attitudes, such as the importance of non-human animal suffering, are the conservative, traditional interpretations of the religion (that is, they're only "progressive" in a Western context).

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David SM said...

Great post!! I can only laugh whenever I see or hear of a fellow Buddhist express their ignorance, fear, and hatred when it comes to gay rights and gay marriage. They have no idea how foolish to look to me.
Good job and thank you for posting this to your blog.
~Peace.

chee family said...

I somewhat concur with the dalai lama on indicating that gay relationships are a sexual misconduct. Sex is one of the most prominent type of sensual pleasure, when unchecked could go out of control and the subject will be hooked on to it like a drug - not a good thing for road to emancipation.

I think that is also one of the reason why abrahamic religions forbid any form of contraceptives - if the believers uphold this rule, they would probably only have sex to make babies and not merry. This commandment/law dulls the desires of the pious and thus reduces their attachment to sensual pleasures of this kind. Of course we can argue that people might then turn their interests to other sensual pleasures but that is a matter of choice and what their religions say abt other sensual pleasures.

The reason why the 5 precepts says abstain from sexual misconduct and not sex entirely is because it is a necessary evil for lay people to procreate - remember 5 precepts only guarantees more favourable rebirth not the ultimate, it's just a starting point to the long road to nirvana.

That is the reason why the sangha takes the precept of abstinence from sex totally - to cut one off totally from such cravings.

Now back to gays - having sex does not produces babies other then providing sensual pleasures, and therefore is rejected as sexual misconduct. If I do not recall wrongly, one of the mahayanist sutras explains what is sexual misconduct and one of them is 'having sex in the wrong places' - I shan't go into details what wrong places mean.

Of course all my arguments are on the context that sex for pleasure is sensual pleasure and only serves to entangle us further in samsara and thus will be seen as unwholesome - there are various degrees of unwholesomeness in all the precepts, it all depends on how deep in you are.